Thorium

[NotHereToPlayGames]

Correction -  For the sake of 0.96875% at work and 1.9375% at home.  It's not 400 MB.  It's "only" 310 MB.  If that crashes your system, then, um, you have other problems, lol.

[AstroSkipper]

11 hours ago, NotHereToPlayGames said:

Although, I guess I also have to admit that I have NEVER had a tab crash when using Win10 + Ungoogled.

It used to happen "often enough" in WinXP that I guess now I'm just being "hypersensitive" in safeguarding against losing something in one-of-five or ten or 15 tabs when ONE other tab from the same web site crashes for whatever reason.

And that is what this switch will do - open 15 tabs here at MSFN and if one of the 15 crashes, for whatever reason, then you just lost the other 14.

Again, has never happened for me in Win10 + Ungoogled.

But as everyone here knows, WinXP is an entirely different eXPerience.  

Personally, I consider opening 15 MSFN tabs and probably many more tabs from other websites to be tab hoarding. IMHO, this kind of surfing behaviour might require professional treatment.  BTW, I used to be afflicted with this disease for a while, but fortunately, as an autodidact, I was able to free myself from it. 
As for the chrome flag --process-per-site, I use it from the beginning and it really saves RAM. I consider this flag useful. 

Edited September 4, 2024 by AstroSkipper
correction

[NotHereToPlayGames]

2 hours ago, AstroSkipper said:

to be tab hording. IMHO, this kind of surfing behaviour might require professional treatment

AGREED!

I've even said that same thing here before (June 2024).  I may have even posted medical web sites (nope, didn't post a link).  Side note - you and I discussed "tab hoarding" while discussing vertical/horizontal tabs (May 2023).

Back when folks were complaining about restoring a session with THIRTY-SOME TABS and thinking they shouldn't get CRASHES under this scenario.

These "types of surfers" often claim it to be "multi-tasking" - IT ISN'T.

According to psychologists, it's a sign of faking productivity and deteriorated cognitive abilities (ie, you "can't" remember, so you keep the tab open so that you don't have to "remember").

 

2 hours ago, AstroSkipper said:

I consider this flag useful. 

Didn't you just contradicted yourself?  This flag only has an effect if you are TAB HOARDING !!!

Edited September 4, 2024 by NotHereToPlayGames

[AstroSkipper]

2 hours ago, NotHereToPlayGames said:

4 hours ago, AstroSkipper said:

I consider this flag useful. 

Didn't you just contradicted yourself?  This flag only has an effect if you are TAB HOARDING !!!

No. If you open two or three tabs of the same domain to really work with them, then this has nothing to do with tab hoarding as they are closed immediately when all is done. 

Edited September 4, 2024 by AstroSkipper
correction

[NotHereToPlayGames]

13 minutes ago, AstroSkipper said:

No. If you open two or three tabs of the same domain to really work with them, then this has nothing to do with tab hording as they are closed immediately when all is done. 

Agreed.  But for two or three tabs, we're only talking 350 to 450 MB of RAM.  Just a guess, I did not take measurements.

At any rate, it's all about weighing pros and cons.  It's extremely rare (if ever) that my normal browsing habits have three or more tabs.  Two is common.

The real irony here is that about the only time I stray from "normal browsing habits" is to test scenarios presented here at MSFN that I would otherwise never "do".

[VistaLover]

1 hour ago, NotHereToPlayGames said:

when folks were complaining about restoring a session with THIRTY-SOME TABS and thinking they shouldn't get CRASHES under this scenario.

These "types of surfers" often claim it to be "multi-tasking" - IT ISN'T.

... People, sadly, continue to do so now with Supermium/Thorium 32-bit on 32-bit XP SP3 (PAE-patched, a configuration the vendor NEVER supported) and have the audacity to create "issues" in the official trackers: 

https://github.com/win32ss/supermium/issues/846

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I have session with 5-7 windows, each window has ~ 400,200, 100, 50 tabs.
...
I have enough memory installed (16 Gb) on my XP system.
...
But when energy is off in my country region, and I should restart system after it powers on,
I have a big problem with the browser -- it just closes (crashes) after the whole session starts and all browser windows seen opened.
...
OS: XP 32bit

Browser: v124-r2 (Supermium)

IMHO, this type of users are beyond the point of realising they have a "serious problem" themselves...

[AstroSkipper]

25 minutes ago, NotHereToPlayGames said:

Agreed.  But for two or three tabs, we're only talking 350 to 450 MB of RAM.  Just a guess, I did not take measurements.

In my system with 1.5 GB RAM, every single megabyte counts. 350 to 450 MB is then a huge amount of RAM.

Edited September 4, 2024 by AstroSkipper

[Saxon]

On 9/3/2024 at 4:44 PM, NotHereToPlayGames said:

Here is without - 1.38 instead of 1.31, that falls within margin of error and STATISTICALLY INSIGNIFICANT.  18 child processes.  But 18 versus 17 is also insignificant.  I bet if I waited 30 seconds, I would have seen 15.  Or maybe 21, lol.

Point is, if this is supposed to be a godsave on RAM, wouldn't it drop it down to below 1 GB for running two YouTube tabs ???

You are under constant observations, you even have a uniquely generated guinea pig tag, metrics are enabled under Active Variations. Which browser is that?

[Saxon]

22 hours ago, NotHereToPlayGames said:

Regarding IPV6 - I have no clue if we have it here at work.

So what stops you from checking? It will show "n/a", if you don't have one.

IPv6 Address n/a

https://browserleaks.com/ip

[NotHereToPlayGames]

1 hour ago, VistaLover said:

IMHO, this type of users are beyond the point of realising they have a "serious problem" themselves...

Agreed!

 

1 hour ago, Saxon said:

metrics are enabled under Active Variations

Not sure I follow.  Nor would I classify myself as so overly-paranoid to "lose sleep over it".

I've always went by this --  Enabled = No, Recording = No, Reporting = No

[NotHereToPlayGames]

1 hour ago, Saxon said:

So what stops you from checking? It will show "n/a", if you don't have one.

IPv6 Address n/a

https://browserleaks.com/ip

I'll check tomorrow when at work.

Though as far as Chrome-based browsers are concerned, if one seeks some form of privacy awareness (which I myself claim that MANY GO OVERBOARD with PARANOIA!), then one has to ask themself if a Google DNS Server should be "connected to" each and every time one launches ones Chrome-based browser.

Granted, I also base this on reports from 2018 (here).  I've just always disabled IPv6 and avoided "phoning home to the mothership" every time I launch my browser.

Edited September 4, 2024 by NotHereToPlayGames

[Saxon]

11 hours ago, NotHereToPlayGames said:

Agreed!

Not sure I follow.  Nor would I classify myself as so overly-paranoid to "lose sleep over it".

I've always went by this --  Enabled = No, Recording = No, Reporting = No

Despite what you do or don't do, the metrics are still active to the full extent. If you successfully block, your variations tag will be empty. 

https://developer.chrome.com/docs/web-platform/chrome-variations

Active Variations: n/a

[Saxon]

Thorium/Supermium have even more of those. But I already decided to hold off them for a while, per your advice.

To improve the performance of the browser, Google tries new ideas out in the real world to discover useful features. These are called Field Trials.

The "Variations" section seen in the output of chrome://version is a part of Google's Field Trials. Users of the Release version of the Chrome browser can see a series of hash-hash pairs in the "Variations" section of chrome://version since Chrome 23. More information on the purpose of Chrome Variations can be found in Google Chrome Privacy Whitepaper; 

Sourced from.

https://superuser.com/questions/541466/what-is-the-variations-section-in-the-output-of-aboutversion-or-chrome-v

[Dixel]

11 hours ago, NotHereToPlayGames said:

I've always went by this --  Enabled = No, Recording = No, Reporting = No

Yep, @Saxon is right. You're in trouble. If you see this hashtag/dogtag, then it's been generated already, and contains everything about you. Proof.

"If stats are on, then the ID is called 'High entropy ID' in the source-code, and 'determined by your IP address, operating system, Chrome version and other parameters,' and sticks to your installation," explained Granal in an email to The Register.

https://www.theregister.com/2020/02/05/google_chrome_id_numbers/

 

[Dixel]

"For years, since 2012 at least, Chrome has sent a header called X-client-data, formerly known as X-chrome-variations, to keep track of the field trials of in-development features active in a given browser. Google activates these randomly when the browser is first installed. Active trials are visible if you type chrome://version/ into Chrome's address bar. Under the label Variations, you're likely to see a long list of hexadecimal numbers similar to 202c099d-377be55a."

link

What this means? Right! The generated number is unique!